3/08/2006

Is Ruth A Hollaback Girl?


I was going to bicker about the ACLU some more, but came across a wingnut article about the history of Justice Ginsburg that is but one of many examples of why liberals are always defending themselves against mischaracterizations of their positions. It comes from their efforts to distort intentions-to paint a group in a less desireable light. It went on at length about how the entire feminist movement believes in Marxism and the view of wives and mothers as evil and oppressive... equality is about being treated the same as men and rejecting all womanly things. They claim Ginsburg made it her life's mission to strip the sexes of all differences to force women to be treated exactly the same as men. This is classic distortion, because it perpetuates the idea that women want to 'be' men, not treated as equals in their own right. Now these groups say things like this all the time, to paint feminists as anti-mother and anti-men- then enjoy the predictable backlash. What better way to make sure women don't join than to make them appear as anti-woman as possible?
(here)
Further, it went into this whole idea that she had a vendetta against the Boy Scouts because she believed that all gender distinctions should be illegal. Now with nonsense like that, its no wonder people have a distorted sense of the women's movement.
Now we on the left can be absurd and make up lies too. Wanna know the real scoop on Ruth? Think about slick willy and how his mind really works. Pictured: a rare glimpse of Ruth, unrobed.

24 comments:

Frederick said...

" . . . efforts to distort intentions-to paint a group in a less desireable light." Our friend on the Right wouldn't do that would they?

Lew Scannon said...

I wonder sometimes if they get it at all because they don't seem to get "it". They do tend to paint the opposition with braod strokes and absolutes.

"Only a Sith deals in absolutes"-Obi Wan Kenobi

Earl Bockenfeld said...

The Scalia fans who hate Ruth Bader Ginsburg would be surprised that Scalia lunches with Ruth and that she is his closest friend on the court, at least personally but not politically. Politics makes strange bed-fellows!

Now, Court insiders say, Scalia and O'Connor get along comfortably, though Scalia's best friend on the Court is Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg, with whom he served on the U.S. Court of Appeals for the D.C. Circuit. Justice David Souter, it has been said, is Scalia's least favorite. Scalia has also lamented to friends that Thomas, his closest voting partner, has never become a close friend.

a rose is a rose said...

some are simply afraid of being emasculated. some, i just don't know WHAT goes through their minds.

i've used this example before. if someone (a man) asks a question and i (or another woman answers it), AND they ignore OUR answer and wait until ANOTHER MAN answers, well then in most instances i confront them (him). why? is my brain pea-sized because i don't have a penis (once again i HAVE one - or more, but that's ANOTHER story). how do you think that makes me (or another woman it happens to) feel?


i am NOT a man hater nor am i a mother-hater. i respect men who understand what it's like NOT to be treated as an equal based on some thing or another (such as gender or color or sexuality). i respect mothers too. so much so i KNEW i could NEVER do that job because i'm NOT qualified (but i AM one HELL OF AN AUNT)

i am blessed because my life is CHUCK FULL o' mothers AND men!

Rhino-itall said...

negative propoganda happens everywhere, nutcases show up on both sides. I would not be surprised at all if Scalia and Ginsburg were friends. I have plenty of liberal friends, and in fact i have one or two on my blog. Plus didn't you guys hear, lily and i are dating.

LILY BRANFORD said...

I am a big fan of Ginsburg and as much as I think Scalia is toady, I can see where they would have an academic respect/affinity for each other. Now that we know what a hot mama she is, it makes even more sense. (kidding)A conservative respecting a woman for her mind? Inconceivable.
But this is what they do, they campaign to distort the real messages of choice, autonomy, and empowerment, instead they make feminists look like they have a bad ass case of man envy. Its not about that. it also reminds me of someone I know who was talking about which woman is the 'butch' in a lesbian couple we know- as though all couples have to strive to adopt the gender roles and stereotypes, fit into these boxes. It can't be that women want opportunities as women. Lesbians have relationships as women, no, its about emulating men. Or emulating heterosexual gender roles which are bogus as well.Its a classic response of people threatened by men, by a movement that needs to distort because they function on fear. Like this censorship of teachers, the point is to have a chilling effect on academics, make teachers afraid to teach. Afraid to teach about dissenting views.

RichM said...

Ruth is hot. Yeah hot. What a babe. Only problem is she suffers from narcolepsy. Falls asleep in the middle of the act, er I mean case.

I'm glad to see her on the court. From what little I know of her she is quite capable of holding her own with any one of the others on the court. More power to her.

Anonymous said...

Evidently fear is not a factor for her.

Anonymous said...

What the world needs: more Matalin-Carville couples. Banish the thought. Creepers.

Rhino-itall said...

i think they hate each other but they're both so ugly and angry that all they could get was each other.

Frederick said...

Haven't been around lately Lily, I'm back up and posting...

Bitch said...

Right on, Lily! Your comment speaks to a basic reason why fear rules so many lives; so afraid of being sterotyped or, in the case of teachers, job loss.

Both are a grave loss as children are educated to accept the prevaling "logic" presented. And many gay couples who long ago rejected the defining societal "norms" are largely ignored now that they are simply folks like the rest of us. No drama there to attack....

Makes one think about what is the easier, softer way.

Anonymous: I have often wondered how those two could stand each other. One of those mysteries.

The Irish Tenure said...

Teachers fear job loss?

I disagree, and think the lack of fear is one of the gravest problems facing the educational sytem today.

Rhino-itall said...

gotta agree with the irish on this one. teachers can't get fired if they try.

Frederick said...

I know you it gotta take something to want to go to work in some of those schools down-state, lack a fear or something....

Frederick said...

eeewww, that didn't come out right...

tp said...

Fred Bieling: proof that NY education sucks and parents oughtta demand refunds!

Takepause: The assumption that teachers can never be fired is ridiculous and reasonable people know this, in fact they are often put on leave just to be on the safe side. Everything is CYA. They are also strongly encouraged to resign because a bad reputation follows them, its a trade off.

the tenure itch said...

By leave, dont you mean paid leave "just to be on the safe side" and then reinstated after the bad pr dies down?

Lily said...

Do you have any figures to support any trend toward paid leave versus unpaid leave, or is this argument anecdotal? I have a few for me, but since you're so anonymously cute I figure I'll give you some lead time. Cupcake.

cow tenure = good fertilizer said...

Do you really want me to do that? Sweetie? I usually let the Rhino handle my lightwork, but you seem insistant that teachers are so vulnerable to a lack of job security. Stats huh? I prefer anecdotes. "A chain is only as strong as its weakest link" and you know very well dear that poor performing tenured teachers are almost impossible to fire, and bring down the "whole house of cards" Like all unions, the teachers union promotes incompetency and laziness yet doesnt reward greatness but barring superior creds compensation is based on years not results. Thats a failing system. "If you wanna soar with the eagles...just kidding"

LILY BRANFORD said...

Job security is a regional matter, and regional matters are always tough pills for national orgs. One problem. Anecdotal information on leave with pay versus without is not sufficient. (I learned that in teamster training) Now I was trained in the management side, then had to go through labor studies to learn the union side. There are stats on every argument, but probably not worth retrieving for this. As I said, there IS a challenge there with respect to quality, no question. As I told you, some professions were forced to reckon with multiple layers of credentialing but due to high need teachers did not have to face this. of course in tight markets it is different. But there are schools I have worked in where it only required a vacancy to justify hiring ANYBODY -not even a teacher. Teachers might need to work on certification rules. Actually this was addressed by some states...another story.You are also correct that teachers are paid in steps related to time and education- not based on quality, but aren't most public jobs that way? Civil service? You are saying that is because of the union and not a failure of public employment systems structure? Part of why privatization is becoming so popular.

Teachers might be union but their administrations that must answer for their performance are not. If we fault the union, what explanation do we make for poor administration? What accountability is there for the administrator that permits the shitty union teacher to remain shitty? See there is a place where the buck stops, but its not with the union. The part of No Child Left Behind that deals with competency is not the bad part of the legislation. I think Bush was right to at least look at that part. Much of the rest was misguided...

People always look to the unions for every problem-there is a motive to trash them, isn't there? There is money to be made in the union trashing business, for sure.

Left of Center said...

Teachers are wrongly blamed for most of what is wrong with our education system. bad teachers end up out of jobs for the same reasons any professional who is inept find themselves out of a job. of course low paying schools will always get the worst teachers. Why should a teacher of science make substantially less than a scientist of equal education makes at a pharmaceutical company? Unions, protect teachers from school boards that are often comprised of partisan hacks with agendas that have nothing to do with education.

fosco said...

They are elected, and while the local control argument might make that appealing to some people, involved people,the pressure to avoid tax increases is more of a factor. Instead of dealing with what is good for kids they deal with public perception, this is why they care about high profile things like sports but not about toxic buildings or subquality equipment. Shaft the kids, please the tightwads. Pay the Superintendent 400,000 a year but quibble about chalk and toilet paper. (three sheets per ass, kiddies!!!) Unreal.

People turn out to vote on taxes, especially people who no longer have kids to benefit from the schools like seniors always railing about their 'fixed incomes' meanwhile they had their whole lives to plan for that inevitability but they want to punish kindergartners instead by being cheap about needed spending. I'm not saying stupid unnecessary spending but some spending is out of their hands.

The result of population growth is a need for more schools but they would have the community educate ten times more fucking people with buildings from 1957. Thats just selfish and stupid.

They cranked out all these kids and now they go "Oh, a vote for another building! No way!"

Maybe the people in these new houses should pay taxes like Grandma but have their kids learn in a rickety trailer while you spend their tax revenue on salting every damn piece of concrete in the western world every winter so Mr. Jones doesn't curse you out over the scary roads when he buys his stupid Daily News at six am. Die, Mr. Jones. Prick.

Adults ought to be ashamed of themselves the way they talk about schools. Keep talking about this generation and their attitude, I hope these little kids turn into bitter fucking monsters and never plow your roads.

Anonymous said...

That's a great story. Waiting for more. »

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